Another really boring “The next meeting of x will take place at y” type posting.

The next meeting of the North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group will be at 9.30 for 10am on Friday the 29th November 2019 in the Community Room at Manchester Central Fire Station. Possibly not this one.

In a weirdly familiar twist for recent attendees of the Salford GMWRAG, the speaker will be GMWRAG member Norman Beverley. Nowadays Norman is Head of Advice Service at Europia and he’ll be coming along to give a comprehensive update on the European Settlement Scheme.

GMWRAG struggled at our recent Salford meeting as it didn’t take long for Norman of Europia to morph quietly in our heads to Lawrence of Euphoria by Skip Spence and now it’s stuck. We are now going to do similar damage to all of you. It’s not the most exciting video but it does have some of the greatest lyrics of all time (in our defence we did say “some”) and a mental health link too!

As it’s the last meeting before Christmas, the group will also be going “somewhere” nearby for lunch afterwards. We haven’t been given a postcode for “somewhere” but doing an internet search brought up some interesting results. We perhaps recommend turning “Safe Search” on in order to avoid arrest.

More details to follow nearer the time.

Future meeting dates for the North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group.

The meeting dates for the North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group for 2020 are:-

7th Feb 2020

27th March 2020

29th May 2020 

31st July 2020 

25th September 2020

 27th November 2020

Please note the change to the usual date in January – the room is not available in January 2020.

These dates will appear on the NWMHWRAG pages as soon as the opportunity arises.

All meetings are on Fridays at 9.30am for 10am for the morning only.

Next meeting of the NWMHWRAG confirmed.

The next meeting of NWMHWRAG will be at 9.30am for 10am on Friday the 27th September 2019.

There is no speaker this time, so the meeting will be an information exchange.

The venue is the Community Room at Central Manchester Fire Station.

Address: Cassidy Close off Thompson Street, Manchester M4 5FP.

It’s a short walk from Piccadilly and there is a car park on Thompson Street. The Community Room has its own entrance.  Please don’t enter the Fire station by any other entrance. From Cassidy Close you take the first turning on the left. Walk towards the building and then left again.  You should now be at the back of the building.

Walk towards a set of double doors under an overhang.  The entrance to the Community Room is on the right just before you reach the double doors.

There are tea and coffee making facilities in the room, but there is a shortage of mugs, so it would be useful if attendees can bring their own mugs/travel cups.

GMWRAG can’t believe firemen don’t have enough mugs.

A reminder of things to forget.

Just a quick reminder that there is not a North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group meeting in July.

Those of you paying attention may also have noticed that news on a Salford GMWRAG in July has been conspicuously quiet. You can safely assume this isn’t happening and the most likely date for this will now be September 2019. Our meetings page has been adjusted accordingly but obviously this has the usual knock on impact and other dates have been rescheduled accordingly. Please check out our meetings page for full information.

Quiz Knight

Following the NWMHWRAG post with the various documents from their last meeting we have become aware that some people have asked for the answers to the UC True or False quiz. GMWRAG was not sure whether to go along with this tacit admission of failure on the part of welfare rights advisers but in the end we thought it would be at the very least fun to post answers to an quiz when we can’t even remember what the questions were!

So, the answers are as follows:

Doris                      False

Claudette               False

Joe                         True (as long as the landlord agrees for him to stay.)

Davinder                False

Julie                        False

Ahmed                   False

Heather                 True

Viola                      False

If you’re as intrigued/lost/bewildered/bemused as we were then the questions can be found on the Presentations page of our NWMHWRAG section. For our own amusement we weren’t planning on putting the answers there too.

GMWRAG can’t help but think that if you’re going to give out a true or false answer it might be an idea to know why but maybe that’s just us being picky.

GMWRAG is also of the view that all of the above is a secret code and that it’s all really taken from the lyrics of Valerie by the Zutons.

“Did you have to go to jail?” is definitely the question on Julie and her ABH as is “did you get a good lawyer?”

“Put your house on up for sale” well that could be at least 3 of them!

“And the way you like to dress Doris”

“Won’t you come on over Viola Valerie?

We rest our case (and possibly our weary hallucinating head)!

The minutes of the last NWMHWRAG meeting plus associated documents are now available for download.

Long post. Loadsa good stuff.

The minutes of the last meeting of the North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group are now available for download from here and in due course (give us a minute) from their pages within the GMWRAG site.

GMWRAG was quite upset to discover that since the NWMHWRAG pages migrated to this site in 2011 not one person has noticed that the section was erroneously titled the North West Mental Health Advisers Welfare Rights Group and not the North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group. WHO was not paying attention? All of you apparently!

The People’s Front of Judea are most upset. Eats, Shoots and Leaves indeed! Other documents from the meeting can be downloaded from below but also from the now correctly titled section. Anything else you’re not telling us?

GMWRAG sometimes gets asked how one joins such an exclusive club or “old boys clique” as we recently were amused to hear it described. We’re thinking of adopting the passing of a UC quiz as the entry requirement.

Suffice to say we’ll be asking the (mostly female) Principal Officers of Welfare Rights services across GM to withdraw from GMWRAG anyone heard spouting such inanities especially given that attendance at GMWRAG meeting is fairly evenly divided between the sexes but if anything skewed well away from “old boys”.

In the meantime, we have been handed some late-breaking corrections to some of the above and we detail these below, which goes to prove that there is occasionally some value in being tardy!

“On the minutes – slight correction needed to this bit

Note differences to shared accommodation rules for over 35s, under
occupancy (non dependant couples get two rooms, overnight carers not dependant on SDP)

It should say something like this –

Note differences to shared accommodation rules –

  • single over 35s – get one bedroom rate even if chosen to live in shared accommodation
  • single under 35s – exemption from shared accommodation rate not dependent on SDP (just on the disability benefit – ie PIP DL / DLA mid/high care etc)

under occupancy –

  • non dependant couples get two rooms,
  • overnight carers – stricter than HB – person needing care must be getting disability benefit –  PIP DL / DLA mid/high care etc)

Second thing –

When we were discussing the protection on death rules & no bedroom tax for 3 months,  it was asked if – when a non dependant dies – whether the non-dep deduction would still apply.

The speaker said they thought not – but since had a look to see if there are any Regs/guidance to confirm that!

Reg 37

Reg 37 image

 

 

 

 

This is what the guidance says – Guidance image 2

 

 

 

Guidance image 1

 

 

 

It does not make sense to say that a non-dep who has died should still be making their contribution to the tenant (that is the theory of non-dep deductions isn’t it? ie that the non-dep should pay something towards the cost of the roof over their head – unless exempt). There will be no non-dep income.

Also if the exemption was due to non-dep’s PIP daily living etc – that would have stopped.

So we think this is a mistake/omission.”

Quick reminder re: the next meeting of the North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group.

The next meeting of the North West Mental Health Welfare Rights Advisers Group will be on Friday the 31st May at 9.30am for a 10am start.

Our speaker will be Jane Crawford, Training and Development Manager at Housing Systems. She will be talking about Housing Costs under Universal Credit.

This meeting will be in the Community Room at Central Manchester Fire Station.

Address: Cassidy Close off Thompson Street, Manchester, M4 5FP.

It’s a short walk from Piccadilly and there is a car park on Thompson Street.

The Community Room has its own entrance.  Please don’t enter the Fire station by any other entrance.

From Cassidy Close you take the first turning on the left. Walk towards the building and then left again.  You should now be at the back of the building.

Walk towards a set of double doors under an overhang.  The entrance to the Community Room is on the right just before you reach the double doors.

Please contact Helen Rogers if you can’t find the room on the day.

If you’ve been before then you’ll know the routine. If not then Contact GMWRAG or another NWMHWRAG member and we’ll sort you out

(Please note she won’t get any messages until 31st May.)